OK, let's not make this complicated with qualifications and hypothetical situations. The reason why is that I want to get an accurate as possible number on this tangentially important issue. And we can all let politics or influence get in the way, in which case we'll merely lead ourselves astray from reality, which will only hurt us and society more, so be honest (for the men).
Point blank men, do you or do you not want children.
Not, 'If the economy was better I would want children."
Not, "Well, if I met the right girl, then I would want children."
Not, "Well, I don't know, goomy goomy goby goby children."
Treat it like a Harley Mortorcycle or a dish of ice cream.
Do you, or do you not want children?
Posts and results will be summarized later.
I have children, but my children do not want them ever. Now that mine are grown, and I won my divorce outright, which is saying something in Canada, I did not wish to have anymore. Next year I am buying a Victory motorcycle and going to tour Route 66 again.
ReplyDeleteLet me know when you do, I'll be on your route (I preusme).
ReplyDeleteI used to, but I don't anymore and I can't imagine ever wanting to again.
ReplyDeleteYes. Yes, I wanted children. I have been HAPPILY married for 38 years (to the same woman) and we had 4 kids. We got married at 18, had the first at 19, 3 boys and one girl. When we had the last one, the girl, I was holding her at my wifes bedside and we both looked at each other and we both said, "we are done, aren't we"!??!?!? We laughed so hard we got a "wats up?" from the head nurse. We both just knew that 4 was enough for us.
ReplyDeleteNow we have 8 grandkids, 5 girls and 3 boys, and both G'ma and I are absolutely blessed.
Steve
Before I got married the thought of kids never crossed my mind. Then after when my wife wanted them then I wanted them. And when it looked like we would never have them I went on with life not thinking about it. Then suddenly there they were, and a few seemingly short years later here I am, a single parent with two teenage girls. She didn't want them or apparently me either. She left us to chase after an imaginary life that she obviously missed because she married me. Now she lives alone. Yeah I love my kids. If I was forced back in time a few years I'd suffer through that hell again just to have them. But if I'd known then what I know now, the first time I saw her I'd of kept on walkin'.
ReplyDeleteYes.
ReplyDeleteAnd raising two of them as a solo Dad.
Yes, but not here.
ReplyDeleteYes. I do want kids but only with a worthy woman, which is why I'm 33 and have no children.
ReplyDeleteI've also seriously thought of donating my sperm. The thought of many Herr Wilson Jrs running around the planet raising hell is curiously appealing.
Nope. Never wanted kids.
ReplyDeleteWould have adored them if I did have some, but never wanted them.
Yes. I am 24, unmarried, and I want children. Soon. I think I would be a very good parent, or at least one who does not make lots of really bad mistakes. I want to make my children awesome and do the things I couldn't. I want children because they would be excellent children.
ReplyDeleteIf I were any less confident, I would say no.
I have known since I was 11 years old, seeing how me and my classmates were just fodder for the State, that I would not produce any children. I had a vasectomy ten years ago. I date women who (desperately) want children. When asked abut children, I say "I love kids," which is true. I do not tell them that I am sterile.
ReplyDeleteAs an aside, if I ever come to your part of the country, I would like to buy you a beer, Aaron.
NO. Don't care how rich I become or what kind of woman I meet.
ReplyDeleteYes
ReplyDeleteI have 4 kids and their mother and I are still married and they have kept me young. Live in the country, spend time with them and they will learn life lessons at your feet.
ReplyDeleteI used to want them.
ReplyDeleteThen I got divorced.
No more.
I used to want children.
ReplyDeleteThen I got divorced.
Never.
Have two....an eighteen and a twenty year old both in college.
ReplyDeleteAmong the best things to ever happen to me.
Malcom,
ReplyDeleteI welcome it. But I'll buy you the beer. Very few people come out to visit me.
Yes I want kids, so much so that I still want them knowing full well the financial, legal, and emotion risks that are inherent in todays society. The fact is, outside of the biological impetus, or the fact I was aided religious background, that 99% of us will never do anything of major impact (like being a Richard Branding or a Steve Wozniak) and our kids will be the most important thing we ever do. I may never be a billionaire but I know I will a topnotch dad.
ReplyDeleteAnd perhaps there is another important reason. And that is an ideological one. I want America to be freer in the future than it is now. I want to fight back against socialism, and perhaps raising children is the best way to do this. Ideological battles are not won in years or even decades. They are generational battles. In the end all that we (the lovers of freedom) have to do is outbreed them. We are already starting to se this.
Yes. Have two, want more. Wish I'd had 'em sooner.
ReplyDeleteI'd like to adopt a 17 year old Korean girl. Seriously, I'm a married 34 year old and hell no I don't want kids. And not just because I'd have to unlearn the Andrew Dice Clay versions of nursery rhymes. I'm too selfish and I'd rather put the time and energy into myself. My wife is in complete agreement. Money, sex, free time, freedom; we like those things.
ReplyDeleteAnd here I was fully expecting nothing but "yes" or "no" repsonses.
ReplyDeletePerhaps I have lost most of my humanity and soul.
Carry on though, men. My cynicism is merely an editorial. I still do want your honest responses.
Yes.
ReplyDeleteHave one and my wife is pregnant with number two. Found out today. . . but, had I not married nearly a decade ago, I wouldn't take the risk today.
I want to have a daughter so I can see how a female version of myself would behave.
ReplyDeleteNo, I do not.
ReplyDeleteYes. I have a son who is now 17. I want more provided I can find a suitable mate.
ReplyDeleteYes. Don't have the girl, though.
ReplyDeleteCogitans couldn't have said it any better.
ReplyDeleteResounding yes for me.
yus
ReplyDeleteHave kids, love them. Always wanted them. Before I got married, I actually wondered if I'd ever meet a woman I could marry. I thought if I didn't, I'd adopt. I couldn't imagine life without a child to raise, no matter how bad society degenerates, there is always hope for the future. The next generation has a chance, if we just don't give up on them.
ReplyDeleteProbably not the type of answer you wanted to hear, but I still vacillitate on this issue. Even discounting the legal risks divorce, child support, custody, the economy, etc, I still bounce between "It would be nice to have someone to teach, mentor, and guide through life, a little person whom looks up to you" and "Holy shit kids take up a lot of damn time and money, and some (most) of them are giant pains in the asses". From those two factors it's probably about a fifty fifty split between yes and no.
ReplyDeleteSo I guess it then comes down to finding a woman worthy enough to marry and take on that kind of risk for. And I think you can guess in which direction that tips the scale.
no, vasectomy to prove it
ReplyDeleteno, n the vasectomy to prove it
ReplyDeleteYes, so I can throw them a cognac party.
ReplyDeleteI want kids. I love my friend's kids, and I don't mind the mess or the smell. My mother and father were great examples, and I love my brothers. I feel like my life would be incomplete without them, and the world would suffer a serious loss without more of my DNA running around.
ReplyDeleteThat said, probably not going to happen. And certainly not before I'm 30 at the very minimum. I've only just started making my way in this world, with money and women both.
Yes
ReplyDelete-Clint
Yes
ReplyDeleteYes.
ReplyDeleteI've wanted children since I was a teenager at least. To hold them and play with them and tell them stories and teach them things.
What I have NOT wanted for most of my life is an actual human female walking around with the keys to them, my house and all my stuff. THAT idea has taken some getting used to.
This is fascinating, Cappy, because I'm still surprised that there are men who don't. I'm not saying "bullshit", I'm saying that I just keep on forgetting that other fellows don't feel this way.
But I don't want them growing up here (USA), so at 37 I'm not getting any younger and I have some serious decisions to make. (Dammit.) At this age I've seen shit CHANGE in this country, I've seen marriages come and go, I've watched single-mother-children grow up, I've gotten some perspective on what schools and other child institutions are like here...
...and I'm like... HELL NO.
Understanding always winds up as responsibility. It's a bitch, and will stay a bitch until I grow up a little more.
Yes, I have three. They are the best things to have ever happened to me. Love being a dad. I waited until I was 40 (and on my second marriage) to have children. Definitely worth it.
ReplyDeleteI am getting to the age where I am seeing many older friends and relatives die. You DON'T want to be sick/old/dying without people who love you around to be there and help. You become a helpless ward of the state at the mercy of overworked hospital/nursing home staff in some ugly ass institution, dying alone. Think about it. Children who love you are an investment in your future quality of life.
I want children.
ReplyDeleteYes.
ReplyDeleteYes. I am the oldest of six. I am also the fourth person to have my name- a tradition apparently started here in America.
ReplyDeleteI find it really hard to envision how to raise them as I see fit under current circumstances.
Yes, I would like a son, more would be great. I can however live without any very easily.
ReplyDeleteWhen I was single, no, I didn't want kids. Kids need a stable home environment with both parents around. I'd never seen that in action, and never known a girl I'd trust to build it with.
ReplyDeleteThen I met one who seemed like someone I _could_ trust. Eventually, after finding myself more and more sure that I was right about that, I married her.
We're still trying.
I have 2 children, and want more.
ReplyDeleteYes, ever since I was eight. My fiancee and I are planning to start our family by year's end. The only impediment is that she is even more pessimistic about the future of this country than I am, so we may not start until we can leave the city.
ReplyDelete-M. Steve
Yep, I would like a son
ReplyDeleteYES! ... already have 2 grown kids, and now they're starting to give me grandkids and I LOVE it!
ReplyDeleteDavers6
YES! Have 2 grown kids, and now they're starting to pop out grandkids ...and I love it!
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Got one, would like another.
ReplyDeleteNope. Never have; still don't. Never could understand why anyone would. Kids are a lot of work; they're time-consuming; they're expensive (no, make that, VERY expensive); there's no guarantee that they will turn out the way you want or even be able to tolerate your company when they become adults. And most importantly, most people are not very good at being parents. In fact, most people suck at it. I think all children deserve a good father, and I don't have any confidence that I could do that.
ReplyDeleteDid I mention that they are expensive? Stratfor's George Friedman calls them "the greatest form of conspicuous consumption."
Yes.
ReplyDeleteI have two and wish I had more but two are much less money and work then four. Plus I can be an 'uncle' to my friends kids too for less work the having more myself.
Greatest thing that's happened to me but not without work. Though trying to raise them with a bad wit would be hell. We're both on the same side so it's much easier then if we disagreed about how to raise them.
Steve Adams
Yeah. Money is not the issue though. Unstable women are. Especially the one's hitting the wall. Not a question of having them. It's a matter of having them with someone who is of the right mindset.
ReplyDeleteYes I do.
ReplyDeleteI know I'll be an outstanding father and raise good kids. With all the retards breeding and not raising their children, somebody has to hold the line and keep society alive.
I want children, but not a girlfriend/wife. I want to be a single father. I believe a single-parent arrangement is nowadays stabler than a two-parent arrangement. Too risky.
ReplyDeleteToo bad single women can turkey-bast themselves when they want. Single men cannot even adopt, and even surrogacy is a long shot.
Oops, I realize it's conditional. Sorry cap. Guess you can consider that a "yes".
I don't want kids at the time. I come from a nuclear family and I'm convinced that's the way to raise kids -stable home-. I don't intend on getting married anytime soon (not before turning 30).
ReplyDeleteTo be more precise, I've even been as crazy to consider a vasectomy, and I'm in my middle 20's.
Yes I want kids, No I don't want them now. Yes I would like to have my kids without gubbmint or femnazism getting in the way between me and my family.
ReplyDeleteYes, very much so. I am young and unmarried, and would like kids as soon as possible, as many as would be financially viable. I would like to have kids because I would like to raise the most badass group if kids possible.
ReplyDeleteYes, though it's no skin off my back if it never happens. Finding a woman I'd trust not to steal them from me or abandon the family is easier said than done.
ReplyDeleteNo, I don't want kids. At least, not if the question you're asking is "Do you want kids, assuming the current social environment remains unchanged?"
ReplyDeleteI'd like kids, but not at any cost (either to me or to them). If I had kids, I'd want to raise them properly, which entails a lasting marriage of mutual attraction and respect, an economy built on facts instead of fantasies, a culture that rejects civilizational suicide, and government not ruled by elites (left and right) who dream of recreating serfdom.
No. They taste awful with ketchup.
ReplyDeleteNo, never had any desire to put another human being through childhood; my wife feels the same. We had a scare or two in our 20's and would've raised any kids to the best of our ability, but never actively tried.
ReplyDeleteYes.
ReplyDeleteQualifications: My reasons are complex, and tend more towards older notions of the importance of family than squishy sentiment. And the West is clearly a terrible place to get involved in marriage or fatherhood, so my plans in this regard are longer-term, and involve the Southern Hemisphere.
I will have to take a much younger wife, but that's a sacrifice I'm prepared to make.
It seems like a lot of the reasons to have a kid is to raise someone better than yourself.. . why not spend the time on yourself and make *you* a better person? It's like copping out on exercising, trying to get someone else to do the work for you.
ReplyDeleteYes but I'm pretty sure I'll never have any and I'm ok with that.
ReplyDeleteNo. My wife and I think the same. (1) Too much risk the kids turn out to be like the majority bitches & brats - we don't need that in our lives; (2) Too costly; (3) If we have children, we want them to be our own - but in today's society, we're nothing more than right-less persons tasked with raising up future tax payers, and by default guilty if anything goes wrong - or if anyone accuses us of anything. So in summary: screw that. I already pay for my neighbour's kids via taxes, and that sucks as well. We will enjoy the freedom that we still have.
ReplyDeleteYes, I always wanted kids. I have 4, all under 6 years old. Greatest thing I ever did.
ReplyDeleteNo. I have been thinking of getting a vasectomy for a while now, just thinking of ways on how to break it to my extended family.
ReplyDeleteNo.
ReplyDeleteYes but the cost-risk/reward ratio is retardedly scewed in the Western world. I could only see myself doing it if i relocated to the devoloping world and liked the boots on the ground situation. But if i wasnt the dead end of my family line and i mean total dead end i wouldnt even consider it with the corresponding difficulties at every level.
ReplyDeleteNope.
ReplyDeleteI always thought being a man included being a father. Not just a sperm donor but a father who does the right things and sets the right example for the next generation.
ReplyDeleteI have 2 girls with my wife and am glad to have them.
Now keep in mind they're young (oldest isn't yet 9) so they haven't done anything yet that can really upset their daddy. Also, I've never been an exciting guy so I wouldn't be enjoying the decline like the Captain if I wasn't a husband and dad. These roles I sought and embraced work for me (except maybe on the worst of days but those quickly pass)
Yes.
ReplyDeleteWhen I meet a young man who is expecting his first child, and expecting is the correct word as opposed to gestating, I say:
"Before children life is fun.
After children life is important."
Cap, it is a change of the very axis upon which you measure your life.
It's scary as hell. Many men run from it. I can't tell them, or you, that they are wrong.
I can't tell you that my life is better or worse than yours any more than I can tell you that it is wetter or drier. The question doesn't make sense.
I don't see my life as more important, or yours as more fun. You do important things. I do fun things.
I can tell you that when I'm doing something I consider important, it is more important than anything you experience. It is also true that when you are doing something you consider fun that you are having more fun than I can.
It's like "That which has been seen can not be unseen". I can't recommend either one.
When I had children I found out what I would live for, what I would die for.
What I would kill for.
No, not even when I was young.
ReplyDeleteI got the "creep" treatment from girls when I was a teenager, and the "LJBF" treatment when I was in my twenties. When I reached my thirties, I lost my 'hormone haze' and Went My Own Way.
Of course, I bless them now for giving me the treatment they did, as it opened my eyes about how morally corrupt and dishonest women actually are, rather than the 'sugar and spice' image they usually present.
No matter how painful, Truthful Reality is much better than a Pleasant Lie.
(I have since seen a few of the women that I grew up with -- by rejecting me, they actually saved me from a horrible fate.)
Never.
ReplyDeleteFar too much sacrifice, far too much responsibility.
All of this to be done with someone else that you just pray they hold their end of the bargain up until the kids are old enough.
If we in the age range 20-30 bracket (probably the majority of the readers here) feel like our future has been mortgaged away, I can only imagine what will be left for the generation after ours / our progeny.
Bringing a kid into this world nowadays takes a certain measure of cruelty. I'd sooner copycat the most recent Colorado shooting before I would bring another life into this world, much less one that would be a piece of me, only to encounter more suffering than myself.