My daughter had a friend that would post crabby posts about her computer science classes. I asked her why her friend did this, since Lab time was the best time in engineering. She said she hates it. But was going through it to make money.
My advice was - Not if she doesn't like it she won't. If you don't like it, you won't be curious about it, and no curiosity is bad in STEM.
This is where we part ways. STEM isn't for everyone. Whether it's IQ, culture, laziness, whatever. STEM and Medical are rigorous programs in college. The only ones left really. You have to WORK!. That's too much for a lot of people.
And I call BS on there motivations. It was hard, it sucked for them, so they quit. That pap about helping people is an excuse. Makes them look altruistic rather than lazy and ignorant.
I LOVE the way they conclude that to get more women into STEM - to achieve that particular 'goal' - is to change the nature of the engineering field to make it more caring and socially conscious and empathetic. Well, I've noticed a distinct lack of men do needlepoint and crochet - how about we change these fields by making them more male-friendly? We could incorporate scrimmages and beer chugging contests into them. And the best male knitter gets to bang the hottest needlepoint gal. That would get way more men interested. Easy peasy.
It's funny how all men I've heard of who quit engineering did it because they found it too hard and couldn't keep up, yet ALL women (in this study) did it because they just cared too much about people...
I know of a girl who quit because being able to cope in engineering gave her the confidence to go after the career she really wanted. She's a dentist now. My gut tells me she's quite an exception though...
"That study urged engineering departments to infuse a “feminist care of ethics” into their curricula to help retain women. By doing that, engineering students would be “provided with opportunities to define, address, and apply social responsibility continuously.”
Published in the new issue of the journal Engineering Studies, Rulifson and Bielefeldt’s new study similarly concludes that “engineering should include concern for people, communities, and societal welfare at the heart of the profession.”"
Women aren't studying engineering? Well, let's change the definition of engineering so they'll like it better.
Engineers have made our lives better many ways. Just think about clean water and safe sewage removal, it´s a big deal. These two things on their own have saved millions of lives. I highly doubt that a bunch of screeching SJW´s can accomplish anything remotely similar. Engineers have directly improved the quality of life for millions of people and that is a form of social justice that is actually useful.
My daughter had a friend that would post crabby posts about her computer science classes. I asked her why her friend did this, since Lab time was the best time in engineering. She said she hates it. But was going through it to make money.
ReplyDeleteMy advice was - Not if she doesn't like it she won't. If you don't like it, you won't be curious about it, and no curiosity is bad in STEM.
This is where we part ways. STEM isn't for everyone. Whether it's IQ, culture, laziness, whatever. STEM and Medical are rigorous programs in college. The only ones left really. You have to WORK!. That's too much for a lot of people.
And I call BS on there motivations. It was hard, it sucked for them, so they quit. That pap about helping people is an excuse. Makes them look altruistic rather than lazy and ignorant.
Not surprised. Maths is hard!
ReplyDeleteI LOVE the way they conclude that to get more women into STEM - to achieve that particular 'goal' - is to change the nature of the engineering field to make it more caring and socially conscious and empathetic.
ReplyDeleteWell, I've noticed a distinct lack of men do needlepoint and crochet - how about we change these fields by making them more male-friendly? We could incorporate scrimmages and beer chugging contests into them. And the best male knitter gets to bang the hottest needlepoint gal. That would get way more men interested. Easy peasy.
It's funny how all men I've heard of who quit engineering did it because they found it too hard and couldn't keep up, yet ALL women (in this study) did it because they just cared too much about people...
ReplyDeleteI know of a girl who quit because being able to cope in engineering gave her the confidence to go after the career she really wanted. She's a dentist now. My gut tells me she's quite an exception though...
"That study urged engineering departments to infuse a “feminist care of ethics” into their curricula to help retain women. By doing that, engineering students would be “provided with opportunities to define, address, and apply social responsibility continuously.”
ReplyDeletePublished in the new issue of the journal Engineering Studies, Rulifson and Bielefeldt’s new study similarly concludes that “engineering should include concern for people, communities, and societal welfare at the heart of the profession.”"
Women aren't studying engineering? Well, let's change the definition of engineering so they'll like it better.
Engineers have made our lives better many ways. Just think about clean water and safe sewage removal, it´s a big deal. These two things on their own have saved millions of lives. I highly doubt that a bunch of screeching SJW´s can accomplish anything remotely similar. Engineers have directly improved the quality of life for millions of people and that is a form of social justice that is actually useful.
ReplyDelete