"When did kids become the equivalent of second-hand smoke?"
When their parents stopped teaching them how to act like civilized humans. I have yet to meet an adult who doesn't think well-behaved children are adorable.
Interesting that you and the manosphere aren't tying the scorning of kids & responsible parenthood, to the insanity of the post-feminist dating scene and the demographic collapse of the west. Here's a hint: the same people that made raising a family uncool are also the same people who made dating a minefield. The article makes it pretty clear, it's not about wanting better behaved kids, it's about hostility to breeders.
I can understand this concern. So many people feel their kids can run wild in public places. This was not the case a generation ago. There are lots of kid friendly restaurants available for families. It is unfair to bring them to a high end restaurant. The service is too slow for families. Kids can only sit for around 50 to 60 minutes in a restaurant. Kid friendly restaurants have fast service, and crayons for kids to play with. My kids are now getting a little older,(oldest 14) and we have now attended some better restaurants. But and this is important, we go at a very early hour. Regular customers to not go out for dinner at 5PM. The later evening should be for adults only.
A little common sense and courtesy, would go a long way in avoiding any problems.
Whenever I or my siblings misbehaved in public, my parents would make us leave whatever establishment we were in, put me or my siblings in the car, and lock us in. Then they would go back and finish what they we doing.
We learned fairly early not to make a scene. My youngest brother, who is modestly retarded, was the best behaved of the group.
This would be considered child abuse now, I suppose.
It is all about common sense. I have a one year old. I did not take him to the upscale restaurant downtown I went to on my birthday with my husband. I do however take him grocery shopping with me.
I take him to places that are more family friendly but I don't take him to movies. We do take him out to eat with us but if he starts getting upset or disturbing others then we leave. I don't have a problem if some places want to ban children.
*Anonymous said... Interesting that you and the manosphere aren't tying the scorning of kids & responsible parenthood, to the insanity of the post-feminist dating scene and the demographic collapse of the west. Here's a hint: the same people that made raising a family uncool are also the same people who made dating a minefield. The article makes it pretty clear, it's not about wanting better behaved kids, it's about hostility to breeders.*
Really? It's that complicated? Wow. Who knew? When I dish out half a day's pay for a nice meal in a restaurant, I have no problem being surrounded by "breeders," since I happen to be one myself. I just don't want to listen to bratty kids who don't know the difference between a restaurant and a family room. Perhaps it time to take the word "appropriate" out of the dictionary; it's becoming obsolete.
OMG. We went to New York and spent a freaking fortune to buy discount tickets to "Mary Poppins." The program is advertised as all-ages, but the theatre recommends that under-6 kids be kept home -- for good reason. One crying baby had to be taken out several times. It's not appropriate to take a babe-in-arms to a Broadway show! P.S. People seem ruder than ever before. People in the audience whispered and talked NONSTOP, as if they were at home watching videos. I, the dad, sushed my son and let him know when to applaud and that it was important to BE QUIET in the audience. Also, people don't know when to applaud -- some people wanted to applaud after the first song. Wait, people, wait for an "approved" pause in the action, say, at the end of an act. But many people never go to plays so they don't know when to applaud! Trying to enjoy the decline...
I find it strange when other parents take it so personally when an establishment decides it doesn't want children. I'm a parent, but it isn't my consuming identity. Sometimes my wife and I go out with our kids, and sometimes we go out when the kids are with a sitter. In the latter case an establishment with a no child policy might be preferred. Before we had kids my wife and I would sometimes ask for the smoking section even though neither of us smoke in order to sit with the grown-ups.
As Dr. Hellen stated in her similar piece, I suspect it is a strange frustration on the part of parents of poorly behaved kids that some adults might escape their children's bad behavior. Not unlike the fear that consumes liberals to push ever harder for mass transit when they realize that some people won't rub elbows with derelicts, convicts, and the insane.
BTW, I've put up my own take on the question of bratty kids. I think you will enjoy it.
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"When did kids become the equivalent of second-hand smoke?"
When their parents stopped teaching them how to act like civilized humans. I have yet to meet an adult who doesn't think well-behaved children are adorable.
Why this is America. Don't like something, just BAN IT. It's for the children.
The cliques are becoming so self pervasive now that today it's children and tomorrow it's going to be old people and continue from there.
Truly and evil society.
Interesting that you and the manosphere aren't tying the scorning of kids & responsible parenthood, to the insanity of the post-feminist dating scene and the demographic collapse of the west. Here's a hint: the same people that made raising a family uncool are also the same people who made dating a minefield. The article makes it pretty clear, it's not about wanting better behaved kids, it's about hostility to breeders.
I can understand this concern. So many people feel their kids can run wild in public places. This was not the case a generation ago.
There are lots of kid friendly restaurants available for families. It is unfair to bring them to a high end restaurant. The service is too slow for families. Kids can only sit for around 50 to 60 minutes in a restaurant. Kid friendly restaurants have fast service, and crayons for kids to play with.
My kids are now getting a little older,(oldest 14) and we have now attended some better restaurants. But and this is important, we go at a very early hour. Regular customers to not go out for dinner at 5PM. The later evening should be for adults only.
A little common sense and courtesy, would go a long way in avoiding any problems.
Quote "Blame a wave of childless adults with money to spare."
No. I blame a wave of children having children and not disciplining them to behave properly in public.
Whenever I or my siblings misbehaved in public, my parents would make us leave whatever establishment we were in, put me or my siblings in the car, and lock us in. Then they would go back and finish what they we doing.
We learned fairly early not to make a scene. My youngest brother, who is modestly retarded, was the best behaved of the group.
This would be considered child abuse now, I suppose.
It is all about common sense. I have a one year old. I did not take him to the upscale restaurant downtown I went to on my birthday with my husband. I do however take him grocery shopping with me.
I take him to places that are more family friendly but I don't take him to movies. We do take him out to eat with us but if he starts getting upset or disturbing others then we leave. I don't have a problem if some places want to ban children.
Brat ban?
There will be riots in Wisconsin, I dare say!
*Anonymous said...
Interesting that you and the manosphere aren't tying the scorning of kids & responsible parenthood, to the insanity of the post-feminist dating scene and the demographic collapse of the west. Here's a hint: the same people that made raising a family uncool are also the same people who made dating a minefield. The article makes it pretty clear, it's not about wanting better behaved kids, it's about hostility to breeders.*
Really? It's that complicated? Wow. Who knew? When I dish out half a day's pay for a nice meal in a restaurant, I have no problem being surrounded by "breeders," since I happen to be one myself. I just don't want to listen to bratty kids who don't know the difference between a restaurant and a family room. Perhaps it time to take the word "appropriate" out of the dictionary; it's becoming obsolete.
OMG. We went to New York and spent a freaking fortune to buy discount tickets to "Mary Poppins." The program is advertised as all-ages, but the theatre recommends that under-6 kids be kept home -- for good reason. One crying baby had to be taken out several times. It's not appropriate to take a babe-in-arms to a Broadway show! P.S. People seem ruder than ever before. People in the audience whispered and talked NONSTOP, as if they were at home watching videos. I, the dad, sushed my son and let him know when to applaud and that it was important to BE QUIET in the audience. Also, people don't know when to applaud -- some people wanted to applaud after the first song. Wait, people, wait for an "approved" pause in the action, say, at the end of an act. But many people never go to plays so they don't know when to applaud! Trying to enjoy the decline...
I find it strange when other parents take it so personally when an establishment decides it doesn't want children. I'm a parent, but it isn't my consuming identity. Sometimes my wife and I go out with our kids, and sometimes we go out when the kids are with a sitter. In the latter case an establishment with a no child policy might be preferred. Before we had kids my wife and I would sometimes ask for the smoking section even though neither of us smoke in order to sit with the grown-ups.
As Dr. Hellen stated in her similar piece, I suspect it is a strange frustration on the part of parents of poorly behaved kids that some adults might escape their children's bad behavior. Not unlike the fear that consumes liberals to push ever harder for mass transit when they realize that some people won't rub elbows with derelicts, convicts, and the insane.
BTW, I've put up my own take on the question of bratty kids. I think you will enjoy it.
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